Inside Edition's Zoey Tur threatened to put conservative author Ben Shapiro in an ambulance this week as the two angrily debated whether Caitlyn Jenner, formerly known as Bruce when she was an Olympic athlete, is really a woman.
The moment occurred Thursday evening between the conservative commentator and transgender reporter as the "Dr. Drew On Call" panel discussed whether the former athlete deserved to be awarded the "ESPY's Arthur Ashe Courage Award."
"Why are we mainstreaming delusion?" Shapiro asked.
"Why would you call it a delusion?" host Samantha Schacher responded.
"Because, Bruce — Caitlyn Jenner, I'll call him Caitlyn Jenner because that's what —" he started to say.
"No, it's her, you're not being polite to the pronouns, it's disrespectful," she said.
"Okay, forget about the disrespect, facts don't care about your feelings. It turns out that every chromosome, every cell in Caitlyn Jenner's body, is male, with the exception of some of his sperm cells," Shapiro said. "It turns out that he still has all of his male appendages. How he feels on the inside is irrelevant to the question of his biological self."
Zoey Tur interjected shortly after this back-and-forth.
"We both know chromosomes don't necessarily mean you're male or female ... You have a thing like Klinefelter's syndrome," the transgender reporter said, pointing to Shapiro. "So you don't know what you're talking about, you're not educated on genetics."
Shapiro asked, "What are your genetics, sir?"
Tur was not amused with his question, shooting back, "You cut that out now, or you'll go home in an ambulance."
Shapiro responded, "That seems mildly inappropriate for a political discussion."
"You are being rude."
"I'm sorry, it's not rude to say that someone who's biologically a male is a male," the conservative author said.
Tur explained, "You just called me a 'sir.'"
"Someone who is biologically male is a male ... it is not a matter of insulting or inflammatory. It's a fact. You are a male. Dr. Drew is a male," Shapiro said. "It's not a matter of aggressively insulting. … The entire discussion is whether we are embracing mental illness and delusion as a society, that's the entire discussion."
Shapiro, who said in April that he left his editorial role at the conservative news site TruthRevolt to focus on the 2016 election, did not respond to the Washington Examiner's request for comment.