A fourth video about Planned Parenthood's participation in collecting aborted fetal tissue features a top official stressing the need to coordinate the practice among clinics to avoid any legal troubles.
Savita Ginde, medical director for Planned Parenthood's Rocky Mountains office, doesn't explicitly say clinics are selling fetal tissue for a profit, which would be illegal. But in the latest video, she appears to nod agreement when actors posing as human tissue buyers say they want to pay "top dollar" for fetuses even though the cost of obtaining them is "negligible."
She agrees when the actors say they'd provide more compensation for intact organs that are extracted from an abortion. She also says she has discussed the practice with Planned Parenthood attorneys to ensure they don't get in any deep legal waters.
"We talked to [our attorney] in the beginning, you know, we were like 'we don't want to get called on, you know, selling fetal parts across states," she says in the video.
The video is the fourth of a series released over the last few weeks featuring top Planned Parenthood officials discussing how some clinics provide biomedical companies with aborted fetal tissue for research purposes.
The latest footage shows a meeting between Ginde and actors sent by the anti-abortion group Center for Medical Progress.
In the newest video, Ginde is clearly worried that those involved could be "caught" in "anti [abortion]" states, and emphasized the need to get all participating clinics on the same page "to make sure we're all saying the same thing." Asked by the actors whether she's concerned Planned Parenthood could be found guilty of illegally profiting from the tissue, Ginde says she is confident their attorneys would ensure they're not put in that situation.
Some of the other videos have shown top Planned Parenthood officials appearing to haggle over the compensation provided for intact fetal body parts. Planned Parenthood has apologized for the tone of those conversations, but says it has done nothing illegal. It's legal to donate fetal tissue for medical research and to be compensated for any overhead costs, but it's illegal to profit from the sale of tissue.
There's no discussion about specific prices in this latest video, but Ginde does say abortion doctors could be trained in how to more gently conduct the abortion procedure, when told by the actors that intact organs would result in better compensation.
"So that's where we'd have to do a little bit of training with the providers or something, to make sure they didn't crush," she says.
The video's makers excluded from the 11-minute edited version an exchange where Ginde responds "no" when asked whether doctors could adjust their abortion technique in order to keep organs intact.
In some of the previous videos, Planned Parenthood officials suggested that doctors might modify how they perform an abortion in order to keep more organs intact, which abortion opponents contend could equate to performing illegal partial-birth abortions.
"No," Ginde responds. "Because we're not—it's not like we do inductions or anything where we would have an intact delivery of any type. So, it's really hit or miss on how everything comes out in the cannula."